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Post by Wisdom Thu 29 Aug 2024 - 17:06

There is much talk recently in the press and media about Kier Starmer's attempts to smooth the waters across Europe since Britain broke ties with the European Union. Consensus of opinion across the right (I use the word tenuously) side of politics thinks it to be a plot to destroy that severance and reunite Great Britain with the EU - mmmm, maybe, maybe not.

Wasn't/isn't Brexit (despicable made-up word!) considered to be a bit of a white elephant 8+ years down the line? If a referendum to leave the EU was held today, would the small majority that swayed the 2016 referendum result still vote in favour or is there a chance there could be a landslide victory for getting back in. As it stands it looks like Starmer is only trying to repair the damage created by division but we shall see - if he's around long enough to make a difference. In this the 21st Century, following centuries of disharmony across the borders, wouldn't it be more advantageous to reunite rather than create further adversity?







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Post by Wisdom Thu 29 Aug 2024 - 17:21

So who exactly kicked off this smoking ban/restriction?

Smoking bans in the United Kingdom

A smoking ban in England, making it illegal to smoke in all enclosed workplaces in England, came into force on 1 July 2007 as a consequence of the Health Act 2006. Similar bans had already been introduced by the rest of the United Kingdom: in Scotland on 26 March 2006, Wales on 2 April 2007 and Northern Ireland on 30 April 2007. Plain tobacco packaging[1] and a smoking ban in cars with passengers under 18 were introduced under Children and Families Act 2014.[2]

Before the smoking ban

Before the ban, smoking was commonplace in pubs.

Before the ban many businesses voluntarily introduced bans on smoking mainly as a result of public feedback. The pub chain Wetherspoons was the first major chain to introduce a complete ban on indoor smoking, doing so in May 2006.[3]

Passage of the law

On 16 November 2004, a Public Health white paper proposed a smoking ban in almost all public places in England and Wales. Smoking restrictions would be phased in, with a ban on smoking in NHS and government buildings by 2006, in enclosed public places by 2007, and pubs, bars and restaurants (except pubs not serving food) by the end of 2008.[4]

On 26 October 2005, after external challenge and debates within the Cabinet, the UK Government announced that it would continue with its plans. All workplaces, including restaurants and pubs selling food, would have to comply by summer 2007.[5] However, there was widespread criticism from all sides of the debate on the subject, with a number of MPs threatening to try to overturn the bill. Many representatives of the pub trade told the Government that only a total ban would work, and over 90 MPs signed a motion demanding this, with over 100 signing a petition for a free vote on the issue. It was reported on 24 November that Chief Medical Officer Liam Donaldson nearly quit over the partial ban, but decided to stay to champion a total ban.[6] On the same day, the government released the results of the public consultation, after Cancer Research UK demanded them under the Freedom of Information Act, which revealed that nearly 9 out of 10 respondents wanted a total ban.[6]

On 11 January 2006, the government further announced that it would give MPs a free vote on an amendment to the Health Bill, submitted by the Health select committee, to instigate a comprehensive smoke-free workplace regulations. Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt voted in favour of the amendment and, in so doing, voted against her own department's then publicly stated policy (i.e. the proposed partial regulations). All other parties had offered free votes on the issue which was debated on 14 February, with three options: the present compromise, a total ban, or an exemption for members' clubs only.

On 14 February 2006, the House of Commons first voted on the amendment to the original compromise plan, to extend the ban to all enclosed public places except private members' clubs. The amendment was carried with a large majority. MPs then voted on a further amendment to ban smoking in all enclosed public places including private members' clubs. Again this amendment gained significant support and was carried with a large majority. This therefore replaced the earlier successful amendment which would have allowed smoking only in private members' clubs. The legislation was passed by the House of Lords, allowing a total smoking ban in enclosed public places to come into force in England.

Political opposition did not entirely disappear at this point, the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee accused the Government of overreacting to the threat posed by passive smoking and said that the smoking ban was symptomatic of MPs' failure to understand risk[7] on 7 June 2006.

Implementation

The ban came into force at 06:00 BST on 1 July 2007, as announced on 30 November 2006 by former Secretary of State for Health Patricia Hewitt, who called it "a huge step forward for public health".[5]

A legal blunder however by Stoke-on-Trent City Council meant that, while the smoking ban still applied in the city, the council were unable to issue fines to people caught flouting the law until 16 July 2007.[8] The blunder caused the city to briefly be dubbed Smoke-on-Trent.[9]

Following the passing of the law

Many pubs provide smoking areas outdoors, where smoking remains generally permitted.
A smoking shelter outside an office building in England. Since 2007 such shelters have become commonplace at workplaces.

On 30 June 2010, the recently formed Coalition Government announced that it would not be reviewing the ban.[10] An attempt in October 2010 by Conservative MP David Nuttall to amend the law to exempt private members' clubs and pubs from the smoking ban was defeated in the House of Commons on its first reading.[11]

Exemptions from the law

While the ban affects almost all indoor workplaces,[12] some exemptions were provided:[13]

designated hotel rooms
designated rooms in nursing homes
designated rooms in prisons (until 18 July 2018)[14][a]
designated rooms in offshore oil rigs
designated rooms in mental health units (until 1 July 2008)
specialist tobacconists in relation to sampling cigars and/or pipe tobacco.

In England, Wales and Northern Ireland, in theatres and television studios, actors and actresses can smoke tobacco on theatre stages or on television sets if the artistic integrity makes it appropriate. However, once the person leaves the stage or set, the item must be snubbed out. Normal smoking laws exist for all other parts of the theatre or television studio, including green rooms, rehearsal rooms and dressing rooms.[15] There have been calls for this exemption to be scrapped, for the health of other actors and audiences.[16] This exemption does not apply to Scotland, where smoking is completely banned in theatres. Comedian Mel Smith tried to defy the smoking ban by threatening to smoke a real cigar during a play about Winston Churchill during the 2006 Edinburgh Fringe, however he stopped before lighting the cigar. [17]

An exemption was also theoretically possible within the Palace of Westminster,[18] as for other Royal Palaces, although members of the House of Commons and the House of Lords agreed to observe the spirit of the ban and restrict any smoking within the grounds of Parliament to four designated outside areas.[19]

Smoking is permitted in a private residence, although not in areas used as a shared work-space. In flats with communal entrances or shared corridors, smoking is not permitted.

University halls of residence presented some dilemmas in practice as regards defining what is public and private. Several universities have imposed a blanket ban on smoking including halls of residence.[20]

Public transport

As part of the implementation of the smoking ban, Transport for London announced that smoking would no longer be permitted in taxis, private hire vehicles and all London Buses premises, including all bus stop shelters.[21] London Underground had already implemented a smoking ban on all its property (including all its station platforms, whether underground or not) much earlier, on 23 November 1987, as a result of the King's Cross fire five days before, likely caused by a discarded match.[22]

The Association of Train Operating Companies and Network Rail introduced an extended ban on smoking covering all railway property including all National Rail station platforms whether enclosed or not.[23] The ban has since been extended to cover the use of electronic cigarettes.[24] Smoking on board trains was banned in 2005 when both GNER and First Caledonian Sleeper withdrew smoking accommodation from their services.[25][26]

The Tyne and Wear Metro was the first public transport system to ban smoking in its entirety which has been enforced since the system first opened in 1980.[27]

Policing of the ban

The ban is enforced by Environmental Health Officers in England, who issue warnings and offer advice before resorting to punitive measures and have had to issue a low frequency of fines since the law came into force. However, there were some objectors who generated higher-profile legal cases, for instance Hugh Howitt, also known as Hamish Howitt, the landlord of the Happy Scots Bar in Blackpool who was the first landlord to be prosecuted for permitting smoking in a smoke-free place under his control. On 2 August 2007, Howitt appeared before Blackpool Magistrates' Court and pleaded not guilty to 12 counts of failing to stop people smoking in his pub. On 2 December 2008, Howitt effectively had his premises licence revoked, after an appeal by Blackpool Council was upheld; he was not allowed to appeal, and Howitt had to close the Delboys Bar following the decision.[28][29]

There have been some incidents of violence perpetrated by people refusing to obey the ban, in one of which a former heavyweight boxer, James Oyebola, was shot in the head after he asked patrons at a nightclub to stop smoking[30] and later died of his injuries.[31] However, the view of enforcement authorities is that the smoke-free workplace regulations are simple to understand, popular, and as a result largely "self-policing". For a short while, bars in the UK that offered shisha (the smoking of flavoured tobacco through a pipe) were still allowed to provide their services inside the establishment, however the ban covered this area in late 2007 leading to a rapid decline in shisha bars.

Reaction to the ban

A group calling themselves "Freedom To Choose" launched a campaign for a judicial review of the smoke-free workplace regulations[32] claiming a breach of the Human Rights Act 1998, as it does not respect the right to privacy of people who wish to smoke in public.[33] Supporters of the regulations put forward counter-arguments positing that the rights of smokers to indulge in their habit cease as soon as it negatively affects other people in the vicinity.[34] In 2010, pub landlord Nick Hogan was briefly jailed for an offence related to the smoking ban.[35] In 2012, it was reported that "Five years after the introduction of the smoking ban in England, almost seven out of 10 licensees want the legislation amended to allow for separate smoking rooms in pubs".[36]

A 2017 YouGov survey indicated growing support for the smoking ban, up to 83% from the 2007 figure of 78%. The ban was proving more popular among smokers where support had risen from 52% in 2009 to 64% in 2017.[37]

Proposal for phased ban on smoking of cigarettes in the UK

On 4 October 2023, at the Conservative Party conference in Manchester, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak announced his intention to phase out cigarette smoking in the UK by raising the minimum age to purchase cigarettes from 18 each year, every year until eventually no person can legally buy cigarettes.[38] The proposal will be put before MPs in Parliament before potentially becoming law, with Sunak promising Conservative MPs a whip-free vote on the matter.[39] A similar proposal was made by the Labour Party earlier that year.[40][41]

Plans for the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, legislation implementing such a ban, were announced in the King's Speech during the 2023 State Opening of Parliament.[42][43] However the decision to call a summer 2024 general election meant that the legislation did not pass through Parliament. The newly elected government announced in July 2024 they would re-introduce these measures in the first session of the new parliament.[44]

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On 4 October 2023, at the Conservative Party conference in Manchester, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak announced his intention to phase out cigarette smoking in the UK by raising the minimum age to purchase cigarettes from 18 each year, every year until eventually no person can legally buy cigarettes.

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Post by Spamalot Thu 29 Aug 2024 - 17:40

I used to smoke, heavily - now I only smoulder!

Living in a country where there is no ban on smoking in public or otherwise, there has been a very significant drop in smokers over the past 2-3 decades.  Out of the blue I gave up, I just went off the idea.  Beforehand I couldn't understand why people objected, I couldn't smell anything noxious nor see any harm to others but once I stopped it all became very clear.

Cigarette and cigar smoke smells disgusting, thus I totally understand why smoking was banned or discouraged in public places, especially where food was consumed.  I imagine the beer doesn't taste too good either with a snout full of tobacco smoke.

I never objected to others smoking but I can now admit it is a disgusting habit, I can smell a cigarette a mile off, it even makes me feel sick if the pong is too strong so I quite understand why people object when eating and drinking.

Once upon a time, many many years ago, a friend and I were asked politely to sit outside a restaurant because the fag fumes were upsetting a young couple within.  So affronted were we, we vacated the restaurant in disgust - how dare these sanctimonious wimps dictate the rules?!?  Now I think very differently, I wouldn't perhaps demand a smoker sit outside a restaurant, more likely I would go somewhere else!
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Post by Spamalot Sun 1 Sep 2024 - 19:55

A party political broadcast on behalf of the People's Channel..

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Post by Wisdom Tue 3 Sep 2024 - 21:48

Over the last few hours the newly formed political Reform Party, under the leadership of the company director Nigel Farage, have declared their intention of completely 'reforming' Britain's educational system - they consider it to be far too left wing influenced thus breeding generations of ungrateful critical bratish youngsters with no respect for the nation's past.  How Britain fought two 'world' wars to retain their own identity on the world's map and this is what they get in return!

Well yes, wonderful sentiments, you must however take into consideration natural changes that occur from generation to generation.  In order to level the playing field you may as well say a particular poltical party is wrongly influencing how the young think,  however a bit condescending when purposely forgetting that the young have mature minds of their own and can actually think for themselves often more creatively than the stagnating old crusties that dictate the rights and wrongs of life on earth?

World events over decades and centuries all contribute to today's society, young middle age and older, it's all part of the evolutionary process, humans are constantly evolving with new ideas and thoughts on the past, present and future - if stuck in a time warp like being suggested by the Reform Party, human development would come to a standstill.  The only answer is for us all to work together for a brighter future for 'everyone', not a particular sector of society stuck in a quagmire of reminisence.  Face it, we all like and dislike different things, there is no common ground with which to move forward apart from the need to survive productively and harmoniously.

So what is the Reform Party's unltimate intention, to build an educational system based on right wing ideals alone, a form of covert dictatorship under a different guise?  That's how it's looking and sounding but isn't it preferable and more open minded to allow generations to think for themselves, rather than indoctrinating with a false reality - a utopic nation with little or no scope for acceptance and growth?  Are we expected to be stunted at birth with no prospect of individuality?  Is the word communism starting to creep in here?

Rabble rouosing is not the answer - onwards and upwards ....
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Post by Spamalot Mon 16 Sep 2024 - 21:47

The labour party, under the leadership of Kier Starmer, has recently been subjected to harsh criticism about their prisoners early release policy.  The inference being that hardened criminals are being set free to wreak havoc in the communities and/or re-offend without compunction, one particular release has been isolated to suggest the current political regime has given a murderer freedom (that word again) to go about looking for new meat to slaughter.

What utter nonsense - talk about clutching at straws!

Firstly, it wouldn't be Kier Starmer or one of his more senior ranks who names prisoners to be released, any more than consideration wouldn't be given to the nature of the offence, the length of jail sentence, when the due release date was scheduled, the conduct of the person whilst incarcerated, the persons support network outside prison etc etc etc.

Do these reporters and their mouth pieces not know that the release of prisoners across the globe, on national holidays and other isolated occasions, is not uncommon?  

It's considered to be a goodwill gesture, to say nothing of easing overcrowding in prisons.

The labour party is not plotting to overthrow the people, which is more than you can say about some of the other side nudging towards the right.

Fact is, the labour party is only in power because the tories messed-up and that new third rate party saw an opportunity to split the vote - and that's exactly what's happened.

Give labour a chance, they surely can't do much more damage to the nation than what we've seen over the past 14 years under the leadership of the tory party.  The limited company is not the answer, as will be revealed in due course.

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Post by Wisdom Tue 24 Sep 2024 - 14:15

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The Reform Co Ltd has recently whipped up quite a storm over rumored plans by the Labour Party to reduce pub drinking hours - apparently 'the public will revolt!!!' As previously highlighted, there was a time when the traditional public house was closed every Sabbath day - for obvious reasons.  That was in the days when religious beliefs stood steadfast in the nation's population - ostensibly.  You know, those good old traditional values spouted by the pulpit. Time evolves and with it old traditions make way for a more modern approach to all aspects of life, that is what has happened with the traditional pub!

Some long time ago the hours of opening were extended, putting more strain on the publican and staff and more opportunity for the customer to drink when it likes and how much it likes.  In a manner of speaking it could be said the extension of opening times was partly responsible for the ruination of the traditional pub, a tradition past down from generation to generation thus evolving with the natural changes of human behaviour.

The evangelical preacher approach to political canvassing is not the answer, it's tantamount to inciting mass hysteria, as can be seen by video footage of the limited company's campaign trail.

Is alcohol and tobacco detrimental to the health, well frankly yes.  Is drinking and smoking to be outlawed because of the risks to health, well frankly no!  Responsibility for personal well being lies with the individual alone, it is not a matter for political intervention nor the evangelical preach to convert public opinion.  However, restricted opening hours of the public house are not a matter of political debate or soapbox preaching - least of all using as a weapon for anarchy.

The rational thinker doesn't need a spokesperson, they can think and/or act for themselves.  Of course excessive consumption of alcohol and smoking put a strain on the NHS but there is a simple solution - just don't treat people admitted to hospitals with alcohol or smoking related illnesses, send them away.   Especially those the police scrape off the roads and pavements and send off to hospital by ambulance.  A few thousand £ already saved!

A deterrent if nothing else.

It has been said, you can so easily stop unwanted migrants landing on British shores, it must follow you can so easily stop the NHS treating self inflicted illnesses.

Still, a good ploy to sway the votes of northerners and other regions now, or previously, staunch Labour Party supporters - the evangelical preacher approach always worked wonders by whipping the audience into a frenzy.

Issued under the reign of the Conservative Party but hey, let's not let fact stand in the way of hysteria..

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Chapter 12: Alcohol


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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/delivering-better-oral-health-an-evidence-based-toolkit-for-prevention/chapter-12-alcohol
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Post by Wisdom Tue 24 Sep 2024 - 17:39

How big donors fund our political parties
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Hazel Gordon, PHD Student Placement

Posted on the 13th August 2024

Nearly a month back, at a time when candidates were still fighting for their seats, we reported on donations made to political parties during the first 3 weeks of campaigning for the 2024 general election. Now Labour have secured their victory, the full figures for the ‘prepoll period’ – spanning from May 30th to election day – have been released by the Electoral Commission.
Labour received by far the most donations

A look at the final weeks reveals that the Labour Party (combined with the Co-operative Party) racked up £9.8 million worth of donations by election day, more than five times that reported by the Conservative Party over the same time frame. The Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and Reform UK continued to tie virtually neck and neck with final sums of £1.9 million, £1.7 million, and £1.6 million, respectively. The total sums donated to other parties were far lower; next in line were the Green Party, accepting £160,000, and the Scottish National Party with £127,998. *
Why true donation figures are likely to be higher

These numbers by themselves however don’t paint a full picture of party finances. For one, sometimes parties are late in submitting donations accepted during the prepoll period. After the 2019 general election, the Electoral Commission opened multiple investigations into incomplete or late submissions.

Secondly, only donations large enough to reach a certain threshold need to be officially reported. In 2023, this amount was raised from £7,500 to £11,180, possibly leaving a bigger proportion of donations undisclosed. Tallying all parties’ donations together, the total amount reported during the 2024 prepoll period was £15.2 million. It is noteworthy that this number is half the £30.7 million reported during the 2019 general election campaign.

However, the year of 2019 saw an unprecedented surge in reported donations, with the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and the Brexit Party (now Reform UK) all receiving record breaking amounts for their parties since donations first began being documented in 2001.
The landscape of UK party financing has been evolving

What this highlights is that donations made during any one campaign offer only a snapshot into wider trends – trends that are most revealing when looked at over a number of years.

For example, although accepting far less than Labour during the immediate build up to the election, the Conservative Party had been boosted by huge sums earlier in the year. In the first quarter of 2024, the Conservatives received £8.8 million, Labour £7.4 million, the Liberal Democrats £2.5 million, and Reform UK £25,000.

In fact, the increase of money flowing into Labour is a stark change of trend for UK party financing. Between 2001 and 2019, the UK saw a rapid growth rate in the total donations made to political parties overall, even when accounting for factors such as inflation. What’s more is that this growth has been disproportionately driven by an increase in donations from wealthy individuals, or “mega-donors”.

Over the years the Conservatives have benefited the most from this growth while Labour saw a decline in donations, particularly those of the mega-donor type, between 2010 and 2019.

This makes it even more striking that during their latest campaign Labour took in £6.7 million from mega-donors, making up 68.5% of their total prepoll tally. This amount is about 42 times more than the £159,442 they took in from the same type of donors during their 2019 campaign. The tide has turned with an influx of wealthy individuals now backing Labour, some of whom previously donated to the Conservatives.
More donations reported from Unincorporated Associations in this election

The £1.9 million in donations received by the Conservatives during the 2024 campaign included 52.3% from wealthy individuals, along with 26.5% from companies.

More remarkable perhaps was how a remaining 20.0% came from Unincorporated Associations (UAs). Although a permissible donor type, UAs have, for good reason, attracted suspicion about their involvement in the funding of political parties. Transparency is the norm for most UK donors. Yet, with less disclosure requirements, the origins of money coming from UAs is far murkier.

In 2019, UAs donated £98,500 during the build-up to the December election, with the Conservatives taking £88,000 and Labour the remaining £10,500. Or, at least, these are the donations we can know of, in that they totalled above the £7,500 reporting threshold. This time around – with the higher threshold in place – the Conservatives were the only party to report donations from UAs, accepting a total of £373,500; about 4 times the 2019 amount.

With their opaque internal finances, it’s becoming ever more vital we close the UA loophole in our regulation.
Question marks remain over the influence of big donors

Election period or not, the more money a party receives over time, the more they have available to spend on hiring staff, policy development, advertising, hosting events for members, and so on. More money does not, however, guarantee electoral success. For example, in the run-up to the 2019 general election Lord David Sainsbury made the single biggest political donation in history, giving £8m to the Liberal Democrats. However, the party went on to make a net loss of seats at the general election.

Still, it appears that over the years the landscape of UK party financing has been shifting. As many big donors redirect their funds to Labour, questions persist over the influence and motives of some wealthy individuals, along with other non-elected entities and their large investments into our political parties.

*Numbers calculated by the ERS using data made available through the Electoral Commission donations search tool.
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Post by Wisdom Tue 24 Sep 2024 - 17:57

There appears to be a lot of missing donations from the record of the Reform Party finances, anything between 10,000 quid and 1,000,000+ quid gone up in smoke it would seem - or maybe down the drain.  There could of course be any number of reasons why spcific donations haven't shown-up so far, no doubt all will be revealed in due course - but don't hold your breath and whatever you do, don't mention Russia!

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Post by Wisdom Sat 28 Sep 2024 - 17:57

Nigel Farage mocks Keir Starmer's clothing donations as he begins his conference speech

"Do you like them [the glasses]? Very expensive. But guess what? I bought them myself, how about that?

20th September 2024

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Arron Banks gave '£450,000 funding to Nigel Farage after Brexit vote'

Tycoon provided Farage with Chelsea home, car and money to promote him in US, Channel 4 News claims

Peter Walker Political correspondent
Fri 17 May 2019 07.29 BST

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Nigel Farage was lavishly funded by Arron Banks in the year after the Brexit referendum, Channel 4 News has alleged, with the insurance tycoon providing him with a furnished Chelsea home, a car and driver, and money to promote him in America.

According to invoices, emails and other documents, Banks, who regularly bankrolled Farage’s former party, Ukip, spent about £450,000 in the year after the referendum, when Farage had quit as Ukip leader, the programme said.

It said the money, some provided via Rock Services Ltd, a company owned by Banks, was used to rent a Chelsea home for £13,000 a month, with Banks purchasing furniture and fittings including crockery and a shower curtain.

Farage was also provided with a Land Rover Discovery and a driver, and Banks sought to raise an extra £130,000 from supporters to cover security.

Farage refused to comment on the claims while Banks dismissed them as a “smear”.

Farage is now leading the Brexit party, formed in January 2019, which is topping polls for this month’s European elections. After quitting as Ukip leader he remained as an MEP, and also made regular appearances on Fox News and other TV shows.

During this period, as well as his MEP’s salary of nearly €9,000 a month, and an extra €30,000 a month declared in media appearances, Farage complained in an interview that he was “53, separated and skint” and that “there’s no money in politics”.

At the time, critics noted that this appeared an unusual claim, given he was then living in the Chelsea home, which is valued at about £4m.

Banks is under investigation by the National Crime Agency over allegations of criminal offences by him and his unofficial leave campaign in the EU referendum. Farage has said that Banks is not funding the Brexit party.

According to Channel 4 News, the documents show that Banks and his companies, organised and funded visits to the US by Farage in the year after the referendum, including a trip in July 2016 to the Republican national convention.

The programme says that Banks, through another of his companies, Southern Rock, paid an American lobbyist, Gerry Gunster, to arrange a Nigel Farage “Brexit policy luncheon”.

It added that in 2016, Rock Services arranged visits by Farage and his key aide, Andy Wigmore, to travel to America on a series of occasions, including one where Farage was first introduced to Donald Trump.

Other invoices show Gunster’s company billed £108,684 for a party in Farage’s honour at a five-star hotel in Washington DC.

A Channel 4 News reporter approached Farage in Merthyr Tydfil on Wednesday to ask him about the alleged funding by Banks, with Farage saying he had no comment.

Banks told the programme: “Channel 4 attempts to smear myself and Nigel come at a time when the Brexit party is riding high in the polls, so it should come as no surprise to anyone.”

Farage has said that the Brexit party is predominantly financed by the £25 fees of its 100,000-plus paying supporters – it has no members. He has also said that financier Jeremy Hosking, a regular donor to the Conservatives in the past, has given £200,000 to the new party.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/16/arron-banks-allegedly-gave-450000-funding-to-nigel-farage-after-brexit-vote
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Post by Spamalot Tue 1 Oct 2024 - 14:19

Well it seems things are hotting up across the nation, at last! For once it's good to see decent people, across the great divide, coming together in peace and harmony for a very worthy cause - to rejoin the European Union!

Some politicians and their supporters will have you believe the EU to be an evil force out to destroy everything within reach, a form of dictatorship that controls our very existence. Oh the irony!

It may not be perfect but what is? At least it's preferable to the misery inflicted on the people by those blinded by wealth, power and indifference. They talk the talk but don't give a kippers do-da for the people they represent, it's just another vote catching exercise. What do they care about the people out there struggling to survive and feed their families, they don't exist in the eyes of the fat greedy dictators responsible for their care and well being. Listen to their voices and hear the empty words they shout from their pulpits of self righteousness - hail Cesar!

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I speak of a rally held in London town last weekend, far outnumbering the hecklers poised to destroy their purpose, where did they come from I don't wonder! Misguided supporters of the extreme right or hired thugs?

Give the people another chance to take responsibility for their future, give the people the opportunity to vote in a u-turn referendum. Give the people the opportunity to right the wrongs, after all they were led up by the garden path during the political campaigning prior to the 2016 referendum. The people were promised a better richer life with greater opportunities for young old and inbetween, a self governing united nation with great prospects for the future but look at us now - poorer with little or no hope for the future. Welcome to Great Britain!

Meanwhile the rich and powerful go about their business without a care in the world.
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Post by Wisdom Thu 3 Oct 2024 - 21:42

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No they don't chum, what Britain needs is a referendum on the European Union, thus negating the need for a referendum on the ECHR.

If Johnson manages to swing this, it will have the same disasterous impact as the last referendum to leave the EU. The voter does not understand, can never understand, the true extent of the implications, for the simple reason they are not told! The people are only told what monsters organisations such as the ECHR and EU are, how they are apparently robbing us of our wealth (only the rich and powerful need apply), freedoms and inherent dignity, leaving out the advantages of being a member state.

Do the politicians even understand the true implications?

Look back in anger ....
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Post by Wisdom Thu 3 Oct 2024 - 21:46

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Well that's funny, is he in an echo chamber? Farage said the self same thing some while ago.


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